Comments on: What does “The only way to break into PGP” mean? http://blog.crackpassword.com/2009/04/what-does-the-only-way-to-break-into-pgp-mean/ «...This blog is about <a href="/?s=password+recovery">cracking passwords</a>, <a href="/?s=forensic">forensics solutions</a>,<br><a href="/?s=security">computer and network security</a>, <a href="/?s=system+recovery">system recovery</a> and other things...» Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:11:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Vladimir Katalov http://blog.crackpassword.com/2009/04/what-does-the-only-way-to-break-into-pgp-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-404 Vladimir Katalov Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:47:15 +0000 http://blog.crackpassword.com/?p=484#comment-404 <em>chaotikcore</em> -- sorry, but we don't understand the idea of your post :) chaotikcore — sorry, but we don’t understand the idea of your post :)

]]> By: chaotikcore http://blog.crackpassword.com/2009/04/what-does-the-only-way-to-break-into-pgp-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-394 chaotikcore Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:07:24 +0000 http://blog.crackpassword.com/?p=484#comment-394 you kind of sound spiteful man.not very professional. sometimes you should logically know what the outcome could be and as a programmer you should know that lesson well.common sense would dictate that if you wrote that on a banner in public and the company you were writing about was there, of course they would have a problem with it.you would to as well..c'mon you know you would.sure..you have a good product sure pgp(r) does to.be a company.show respect to both sides.also..the letter you were sent sent from reed was very professional and showed consideration for both side.it sounds like they were the only ones who acted like they wanted to run a successful business.(i do run and operate my own for 8 years now).part of doing that means coming up with a catch that doesn't offend. you kind of sound spiteful man.not very professional. sometimes you should logically know what the outcome could be and as a programmer you should know that lesson well.common
sense would dictate that if you wrote that on a banner in public and the company you were writing about was there, of course they would have a problem with it.you would to as well..c’mon you know you would.sure..you have a good product sure pgp(r) does to.be a company.show respect to both sides.also..the letter you were sent sent from reed was very professional and showed consideration for both side.it sounds like they were the only ones who acted like they wanted to run a successful business.(i do run and operate my own for 8 years now).part of doing that means coming up with a catch that doesn’t offend.

]]> By: Frank http://blog.crackpassword.com/2009/04/what-does-the-only-way-to-break-into-pgp-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-162 Frank Fri, 08 May 2009 05:40:04 +0000 http://blog.crackpassword.com/?p=484#comment-162 I found it very funny that the Reed organizer attempted to stop you taking pictures of your own booth. Maybe if you had been taking pictures from the competitors one can understand, but trying to stop you taking pictures of your own booth? WTF On the other hand I think PGP is correct when they say that you are not breaking in, you are cracking the password and if the user has chosen a long passphrase you will most likely not succeed, and you know it. I found it very funny that the Reed organizer attempted to stop you taking pictures of your own booth. Maybe if you had been taking pictures from the competitors one can understand, but trying to stop you taking pictures of your own booth? WTF

On the other hand I think PGP is correct when they say that you are not breaking in, you are cracking the password and if the user has chosen a long passphrase you will most likely not succeed, and you know it.

]]> By: Olga Koksharova http://blog.crackpassword.com/2009/04/what-does-the-only-way-to-break-into-pgp-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-139 Olga Koksharova Sat, 02 May 2009 15:24:59 +0000 http://blog.crackpassword.com/?p=484#comment-139 P said: "I realize that the...focus on your products’ strenghts." Thanks for the comment. Yes, we do focus on our strengths (should have seen our presentation in Technical Theatre ;) and the poster note was _pure_ tradeshow attention getter, to let people stop by and say “Gee… is that ever possible!?” and/or simply amuse knowledgeable visitors :) We expected intelligent people at the event and we did meet them at our booth (thnx all for dropping in!)… whereas pee-gee-pee marketing/sales guys granted their customers with free beer and “encryption for dummies”- brochures, sad but we didn’t manage to take a picture of it, looked really funny especially in the light of what happened :)))) P said:

“I realize that the…focus on your products’ strenghts.”

Thanks for the comment. Yes, we do focus on our strengths (should have seen our presentation in Technical Theatre ;) and the poster note was _pure_ tradeshow attention getter, to let people stop by and say “Gee… is that ever possible!?” and/or simply amuse knowledgeable visitors :) We expected intelligent people at the event and we did meet them at our booth (thnx all for dropping in!)… whereas pee-gee-pee marketing/sales guys granted their customers with free beer and “encryption for dummies”- brochures, sad but we didn’t manage to take a picture of it, looked really funny especially in the light of what happened :) )))

]]> By: Alex http://blog.crackpassword.com/2009/04/what-does-the-only-way-to-break-into-pgp-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-138 Alex Sat, 02 May 2009 13:21:08 +0000 http://blog.crackpassword.com/?p=484#comment-138 From my POV they (PGP Corp) should be happy about you recognizing their strong cryptography. Knowing what Elcomsoft is I get your message involutary as: "The only way to brake into PGP ... is password recovery". It's obvious for me you're attacking human stupidity not PGP software per se. It's a smart slogan and I can't imagine a single person reading it other way round. May be because I'm Russian? Don't know. What is PGP saying by that complain? "No. It's not the only way"? "The way offered by Elcomsoft (password recovery) is not the only one"? Hm... PS. I think I get it. They say: "You are not braking into PGP as in 'PSP software' but solely into PGP as in 'PGP Disk encrypted data'. And that's not this." Just "the only way" to save face. From my POV they (PGP Corp) should be happy about you recognizing their strong cryptography. Knowing what Elcomsoft is I get your message involutary as: “The only way to brake into PGP … is password recovery”. It’s obvious for me you’re attacking human stupidity not PGP software per se. It’s a smart slogan and I can’t imagine a single person reading it other way round. May be because I’m Russian? Don’t know.

What is PGP saying by that complain? “No. It’s not the only way”? “The way offered by Elcomsoft (password recovery) is not the only one”? Hm…

PS. I think I get it. They say: “You are not braking into PGP as in ‘PSP software’ but solely into PGP as in ‘PGP Disk encrypted data’. And that’s not this.” Just “the only way” to save face.

]]> By: Artyom http://blog.crackpassword.com/2009/04/what-does-the-only-way-to-break-into-pgp-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-135 Artyom Sat, 02 May 2009 11:49:19 +0000 http://blog.crackpassword.com/?p=484#comment-135 ...write plain pee-gee-pee, so people will spend few seconds more in front of your booth, guessing what would that mean …write plain pee-gee-pee, so people will spend few seconds more in front of your booth, guessing what would that mean

]]> By: Artyom http://blog.crackpassword.com/2009/04/what-does-the-only-way-to-break-into-pgp-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-134 Artyom Sat, 02 May 2009 11:46:52 +0000 http://blog.crackpassword.com/?p=484#comment-134 Write plain Write plain

]]> By: KARPOLAN http://blog.crackpassword.com/2009/04/what-does-the-only-way-to-break-into-pgp-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-120 KARPOLAN Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:32:29 +0000 http://blog.crackpassword.com/?p=484#comment-120 Keep going, sarcasm is great way to communicate with lunatics :) Keep going, sarcasm is great way to communicate with lunatics :)

]]> By: P http://blog.crackpassword.com/2009/04/what-does-the-only-way-to-break-into-pgp-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-99 P Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:08:46 +0000 http://blog.crackpassword.com/?p=484#comment-99 I realize that the comment I left on your previous entry is almost word-for-word the analysis of Jon Callas. But I hadn't read it beforehand, and I am in no way linked to PGP. So there might be some kind of truth. Either that or we're both morons. Oh well. The fact is, your marketting message was really, really awfully bad, and PGP's reaction was more than understandable. Reed probably did you a favor, too, as -if my reaction is anything to go by- security-wary people would have put you on the "shameless bollocks" blacklist after seeing your poster. The takedown could have been a bit more courteous though. Giving you the opportunity to do it by yourself would have been a good thing. The whole stuff is a shame, as with a tiny twist you could have presented the same point AND gained PGP support by adding a bit of obvious irony which would have made the hidden praise to PGP more obvious: after all, your slogan can be read as "PGP is so good that there is no way to break it, but we provide the best way to do something approaching". I don't know, I'm no PR person but "The best way to break into PGP -sort of", if still a stretch, might have worked better (note the "best" and "sort of") It's OK for a shoemaker to say something like "the best teleport solution" because it's commonly understood that teleportation is not feasible at the moment AND the slogan wouldn't depreciate anyone's product, but in IT security the frontier between breakable and unbreakable is slim and ever changing, and your poster was bound to be understood as a direct attack towards PGP by a number of people, so the slogan was really over the top. If I went to a big medical get-together with a banner saying "the only way to cure your kid's meningitis" and my solution was to let them die and make another kid, I would expect to take some heat. You came with a deliberately controversertial poster and got spanked, it happens, get over it (and ditch the crappy sensationalist bullshit to focus on your products' strenghts). I realize that the comment I left on your previous entry is almost word-for-word the analysis of Jon Callas. But I hadn’t read it beforehand, and I am in no way linked to PGP. So there might be some kind of truth. Either that or we’re both morons. Oh well.
The fact is, your marketting message was really, really awfully bad, and PGP’s reaction was more than understandable. Reed probably did you a favor, too, as -if my reaction is anything to go by- security-wary people would have put you on the “shameless bollocks” blacklist after seeing your poster. The takedown could have been a bit more courteous though. Giving you the opportunity to do it by yourself would have been a good thing.
The whole stuff is a shame, as with a tiny twist you could have presented the same point AND gained PGP support by adding a bit of obvious irony which would have made the hidden praise to PGP more obvious: after all, your slogan can be read as “PGP is so good that there is no way to break it, but we provide the best way to do something approaching”. I don’t know, I’m no PR person but “The best way to break into PGP -sort of”, if still a stretch, might have worked better (note the “best” and “sort of”)
It’s OK for a shoemaker to say something like “the best teleport solution” because it’s commonly understood that teleportation is not feasible at the moment AND the slogan wouldn’t depreciate anyone’s product, but in IT security the frontier between breakable and unbreakable is slim and ever changing, and your poster was bound to be understood as a direct attack towards PGP by a number of people, so the slogan was really over the top.
If I went to a big medical get-together with a banner saying “the only way to cure your kid’s meningitis” and my solution was to let them die and make another kid, I would expect to take some heat.
You came with a deliberately controversertial poster and got spanked, it happens, get over it (and ditch the crappy sensationalist bullshit to focus on your products’ strenghts).

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